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Keilim from Israel

Category: // By Rabbi: הרב הילל מאירס // Answer date: 08.01.2021

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Question:

I was shopping for a set for a set of knives in the store and I was excited to find a set of knives which said, “Made in Israel”. I live far a way for a Mikveh for Keilim and to find knives made by Jews makes things very easy for me. I was just checking with the Rav before I use them.

Answer:

Most of the manufacturers in Israel are run by Yehudim who are not Shomrei Torah Umitzvot and are Mechalel Shabbat. So, it is still better to be Tovel the knives. However, if it is very hard for you to get to a mikvah you may rely on the lenient views.
The passuk in the Torah after MIlchemet Midyan says: V’kol Asher Lo Yavo B’eish Taaviru Bamayim. (Anything that does not of into the fire you should immerse it in water.) the Gemara in Avoda Zara 75b : Tanya, someone who buys a utensil for Goyim even if you immerse it in boiling water (to remove Trefot) or torch it they still need immersion in mikveh of 40 Sa’ah. How do I know? The passuk says, “Pass it through fire and it will purify,” and then adds another purifier, immersion a mikveh.
The Yerushalmi explains the reason for purifying in a mikveh is because it is leaving, the ownership of a Goy to the ownership of a Jew.
The Avnei Nezer and Teshurat Shai include in the requirement of Tevillat Keilim buying from a Jew who is a Meshumad or a Mechalel Shabbat. Since the reason for Tevillat Keilim is because the Kli leaves the ownership of a Goy and a Jew who does not keep Shabbat has thrown off his Kedushat Yisrael. We rule a Jew who is Mechalel Shabbat publicly is not called Ben Brit even if his children are Jewish, but for this and many other Dinim he will be considered a Goy.
The Tzitz Eliezer and HaRav Shternbuch both quote the Chatam Sofer that one does not need to Tovel Keilim which one bought from a Jew who does not keep Shabbat. There is Kal Vachomer that if he does not need Tevillah when he does Teshuva even more so when you buy his Keilim they do not need.
The Tzitz Eliezer quotes the Levushei Mordechai rules that they do need Tevilla because of Safek Sefeka. Maybe we rule like the Ramban and Rashba that a Mechalel Shabbat is still considered a complete Jew. Maybe we follow the Chatam Sofer that only one who is Meshumad and leaves amongst the Goyim has a halacha of a Goy, but a Mechalel Shabbat is not. Therefore, the Tzitz Eliezer rules that you do not need to Tovel Keilim from a Mechalel Shabbat.
R’ Menashe Klein also rules that a Kli from a Jew who is Mechalel Shabbat does not need Tevillah . He quotes the Rema Yoreh Deah 267 Some say still it is better to Immerse in a mikveh for more Kedusha. The Beit Yosef explains a Mumar does Tevilla as a custom. If he does not need even more so his Keilim.
HaRav Shternbuch is unsure, however. He says the Kal Vachomer is hard to understand. We a Mumar does Teshuva he does not need Geirut, and he should not Tovel so his Averiot should be forgotten. However, while he is being Mechalel Shabbat, his wine is forbidden since right now he is considered a Goy, therefore similarly we should Tovel any Keilim we buy from him like from a Goy. He says the Avnei Nezer did not like the Kal Vachomer of the Chatam Sofer for this reason. However, there are many Poskim in Eretz Yisrael who are particular about this and they are lenient and do not require Tevila. So, if one wants to be particular and do Tevila, he should only be stringent on metal utensil which are from the Torah but glass is only Derabbanan and it is a Safek Derabbanan.
HaRav Shmuel Vosner also ruled you should do a Tevila without a bracha. So too when he is Chozer BeTeshuva. Since he who violates Shabbat in public some are of the opinion that he is like a Goy even from the Torah. However most hold he is only like a Goy rabbinically and even those who say it is from the Torah they do not have The Tumah of a Goy but still one should do Tevila without a bracha.
Therefore, since it is difficult for you get to the Mikveh Keilim you may relay on the lenient opinions and use the knives without Tevillah.

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